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The reason that gas prices went up during the 70'S is that the producing nations decided that they deserved the money instead of sending it west corporations. The main reason for this is that most of those countries have nothing else beside their resources to help develop their countries. Unless poverty is your preferred method of payment for the non western nations resources. With the western history of exploiting developing nations and installing corrupt governments friendly to western corporations, they had a good idea. We have don't have right to insist on political slavery in return for cheap energy.This is a reflection of the real world cost and impact of energy. So setting standard for the auto companies is a great way to improve the environment and incorporate new technology. I guess being a republican means being anti-future technologies and their positive impacts on our lives. The decline of the US starts with us loosing the technology edge.the reason I would buy a Honda is because I would get the best car for future and buying a US car maker is buying the best car from yesteryear. It is sad to see the workers paying for the mistakes of the company leaders. |
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Honey - you shouldn't get in over your head discussing topics you know nothing about. |
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But they still have to get rid of the competition to achieve those nefarious goals |
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If this was Exxon, Walmart or Microsoft forcefully taking over a company like Chrysler it'd be seen as bullying or, as alluded, a hostile take over. At what point do you receive training for taking over an industry in your duties as a community organizer? One thing that's good about this is that we'll have a benchmark- Obama's mistake here is that he's only socializing one car company. The rest are still in a choke hold by the UAWU, but they've still managed to put out decent products. This will destroy Chrysler and illustrate, Barracrocrats cannot run private industry. The sad thing is that Chrysler has put out some awesome vehicles. This company was the legacy of a handful of individuals and the Obama presidency has stomped all over their graves with this rubbish. |
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No, that's not the game at all. The game is that GM will become a government corporation employing government employees making government vehicles! As with the Zils of the Soviet era, party apparatchiki, I mean, elected government officials will be given GM limousines, while the military will drive GM personnel carriers and tanks, the post office will bump along rural routes in GM vans, and rank and file bureaucrats will be given the equivalent of Chevy Vegas for their personal use.
The rest of us will be taxed to pay for all these vehicles, and any cars we don't buy from GM will have all sorts of "fees" and "certificates" added to their stickers, but we will be free not to buy products from US-GM if we choose not to and can afford the excise charges for failing to patronize Baraky Motors. |
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A. Our industrial capacity....
What is now being handcuffed by the left( i.e.- the environmentalists, unions, anti-business types, etc.)?
A. see above
The result should be obvious to a three year old..... |
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Does anyone believe auto makers run by the government and the UAW will be able to compete on the open market? The only way is to bring the other auto makers down to or below their level.It's the Chicago way! Can you say card check. |
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why not have the boy president also try to run the auto industry, even though he is not qualified. i mean, it same as him trying to be president with no qualifications. now, for dicatator/messiah, that's another story. i mean he has a special gift.
just words, just speeches,
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Obama is not seasoned enough for anything. The men who drafted the Constitution lived during an era where adult male life expectancy, after discounting for high childhood death rates, was in the mid 50s. Thus they articulated a minimum age for the presidency which encompassed the final third of the average man's life - that small window when he is no longer ruled by testosterone and has accummulated a vast trove of life experience and wisdom.
Of the three presidents in the past century or so that we have elected who had not reached their 50th birthday, TR was too impetuous by half, JFK got is into a murderous bloody war that cost hundreds of thousands of lives, and now little Obama, still enthralled to "mentors" like the despicable Saul Alinsky is too inexperienced and wet behind the ears to understand that collectivism and socialistm never work outside the nests and mounds of ants and termites. |
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You're right! Obambi's too timid!
If we're gonna pluck numbers from the sky, let's pluck BOLD ones!
He should mandate 100MPG! Hell, let's go for 1000MPG!
Go for the gusto!
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I believe Obama is offending his own. Washington is full of those who do whatever they need to do to survive. Some of the grandious plans Obama has forced through will not sit well with the folks back home for some of these politicians. I doubt too many politicians will get a warm reception at home once all realize that 100% will get a tax increase. They will quickly throw Obama to the wolves for self preservation. Obama is not seasoned enough with Washington politics to realize just how vicious things can get. |
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Why are the industries ok with it, but you're not? |
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It's fascist, without the Holocaust complications.
Fascism is when government controls the production capabilities of an economy though the individual companies putatively remain in private ownership.
In socialism, the state outright owns all the companies.
This is a mix of the two: fascist/socialist.
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Fortunately, our nation's capital is full of bull elephants of both parties who are becoming weary already with little Dumbo. They don't care about his legions of young adoring fans, or how cute he looks in his little clown outfits.
They are about protecting turf and this little pipsqueak is upsetting the natural order of things in Washington. Little Dumbo's biggest headaches are going to come from the bulls in his own party who will slap him upside the head soon enough. Already he is angering them with his blatant overstepping and his infinite arrogance. as Already there is a disaffected core of centrist Democrats who are no more eager than we are to see this great nation go the way of Ceaucescu's Romania or Honnecker's East Germany, which is exactly where it is headed while junior's Saul Alinsky paradise begins to take form around them. |
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Let's call a spade a spade. This is not just a "misguided policy", it is a wrong-headed socalist policy.
Seriously, this is not just name calling. 100% government ownership and control of all industries is communism. With the US government now controling (but not owning 100%) the auto industry, what else would you call it but socialism? |
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You are so right. This is not funny. I am 60 plus and I am sad to see this great country going down the tubes in a hurry. Sometimes when we joke it helps to show these libs just how ridiculous they are. We are losing our freedoms on a daily basis with Obama at the helm. He is now deciding what we will drive, how we will get medical care and soon it will be what we can and cannot say. I think that the only thing that will work is when these libs start to see their taxes go sky high. That is what it will take to turn this thing around. Lets hope we live long enough. |
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on the wrong side, as usual. Industry and environmental types, all compromised. What are you going to do when health care gets adjusted this same way?
"I'm on the outside looking in,...." LOL, GOP |
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After I added up all of the costs for the extension cord, the windmill, the solar panels and the more money that the car will cost I realized that I will just have to keep my gas guzzler until I can save a couple of hundred thousand so I can afford to buy a car that will save me money and save the environment. |
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I see a lot of sarcasm and putdowns on this topic but it is not funny!
We have to find a voice to stop this madness. I was very, very nervous about Obama and he worse than I could have imagined.
The media has ignored ACORN, the bailouts, the corruption, Obama's weaknesses, and we tolerate this, shame on us.
With Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Dodd, Frank, Leahy, Clinton, Arnold, Geitner, Emanuel, Axelrod et al we may never recover.
We must find someone to lead us out of this morass.
Michelle are you the one? |
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Obambi, through imperial fiat, imposed the new CAFE standards on car manufacturers. New fleet standards have to meet 35mpg by 2016, up 50% from current levels.
Of course, he's now the new car czar, as the Gov is now the majority owner. As boss, I guess he can do that.
Some problems I see: why didn't he just mandate 100mpg? If 35's good, 100's better, right? How about 1000mpg? How about Warp Drives? Why not?
Experts say the only way to even come close to meeting that mandate is to make cars much smaller and lighter, and development and implementation will still add somewhere between $600 - $1300 to the price of each car.
Obambi counters that three years of driving such a car will offset the higher price through fuel cost savings. But since we're not drilling here and now, and not building new refineries, and I'm sure he'll want to add new gas taxes... that doesn't compute at all.
Which brings us to the real problem: who's going to want to buy a cupholder-sized car made out of tinfoil that costs as much as a Porsche?
Seems to me the automakers are gonna be in bankruptcy all over again.
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Absolutely! Thanks for pitching in because as any liberal will tell you, together we can change the course of earth history, end the cycles of glaciation and warming, stop this mindless drift of the damned continents which alters ocean currents and thus weather patterns, if we will but move back into caves, lightly sear our organic vegan meals over mastodon turds, and quit this damned driving, breathing and farting. |
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During my lifetime I have watched as the school system began indoctrinating our children and thought that would never be successful.
I watched as the 60's people espoused free sex and big mouths, and thought they would grow up.
I watched as Carter replaced Ford and saw how pleased the country was, for a while, until 16% inflation hit us. Carter proved to be a weak, weak leader afraid of Iran and we couldn't get him out of office fast enough.
I am afraid Obama is another Carter and his foolish recipes for our beloved country will lead us to "Carterland".
While many of our enemies are growing stronger, due to oil and energy, we sit and allow our oil to remain in the ground while Obama puts on huge taxes with silly cap and trade policies and the media watches without comment.
My beloved country has fallen to socialism and I watched. |
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Thanks for bringing those things to light. I must research how I can put some solar panels on the roof of the building or where they will let me put the windmills. Well it may cost some money to get this thing going but after all I will be saving the earth does cost really matter. |
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You miserable polluting traitor! Unless you live in the Northeast (serviced by either the reactors of PNH or the excess energy of HydroQuebec) or you live in the Pacific Northwest, the electricity you use will be coal generated.
Unless of course you're going to be a good widdle gweenie and harness the warming energy of our friend, the sun, or the blithe Spirit of the Wind to power your new GM electric car with the Obama-head hood ornament!
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I can't wait to get my electric car. It will make my life so much better. I do have a few problems. My parking garage has no place to plug in so I will have to run an extension cord from my apartment. I have checked around and have not found one long enough to go 19 floors yet. Of course I will need to leave a few hours early each time I have to go out as I can't possibly leave the cord in the garage when I leave so I will have to role it up and bring it back up to my apartment. I haven't quite figured out yet how I will close my front door with the extension cord in the way. I guess I will work that out. Oh life will be so much better as soon as I can get that electric car. So glad that Obama is making things better for all of us. |
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Lilly-Rachel, et al suffer from Mickey Syndrome
their "reasoning is" IF MIKEY did something:
THEY then declare that means they can do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING illegal, wrong, dangerous, destructive, abusive and then lie and lie and lie about their lies and it is JUST FINE:
Their syndrome is that they do not have to be accountable, responsible, decent, etc. because Mikey did something. |
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Yes, I remember those new fangled VW Bugs showing up in the 60's, too. And we didn't buy them, because gas was about 45 cents a gallon for premium and you could just go anywhere. So, we did, taking lots of people and dogs and suitcases with us, something a bit problematic in the VW. Then Jerry Ford and Jimmy Carter got us into the oil shocks and we turned to the Bugs because both those idiots drove gas prices through the roof. Gas lines, remember those? So, uh, it was government interference and incompetence that brought about the Bug revolution, not some greenie feel good concept. |
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IN OREGON< EVIL Dictator shut down the biggest and most successful auto dealer:
everyone lost their jobs: NO "CHOICE" here:
WHY: because the owners were GOP supporters;
HE let those who supported him and voted for democrats who are hardly keep the doors open stay in business:
PAY OFF
HITLER had a 90% approval rating
As GERMANY went under HITLER
SO GOES THE USA under Dictator OBAMA |
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We have a system in place to handle the automakers problems.....Its call bankruptcy court! They gather all their assets, sell them and pay off their creditors! Doesnt get much simpler than that! |
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OBAMA is going to allow ONE TV for the entire community!
and one computer for the entire community!
of course you are accurate, with only one channel and one web site available:
HIS "RATION" plan
Hitler had a 90% approval rating
AS GERMANy went under HITLER
SO GOES THE USA under OBAMA
history is repeating itself, chapter by chapter |
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The ridiculous restrictions put on us from drilling for our own oil or building nuclear power plants is what has made us beholden to the middle east. |
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LYING, fabrication, distortion, exaggeration is a way of life for liberals
they believe if they repeat their lies often enough they will become FACTS for the "EDUCATED"
tragic, they actually believe their own lies
Democrats just make it all up: |
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We have spent TRILLIONS, taxpayer dollars and private donations for over 50 years to find a cure for CANCER, so HOW ARE WE DOING ?
ah ha, they need MORE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and another 50 years or so:
ON Energy efficient cars: WE have spent trillions over the past 20 years : taxpayer and private funds: what do we have;
BURN YOUR CORN and FOOD ! THAT's it: nothing more has been achieved: except double food costs!
SO we spend another trillion over the next 10 years on private and taxpayer dollars, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE fuel efficient cars ?
NOT A CHANCE!
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Imagine, we have all of these NATIONAL parks, that we are fleeced to support
SO, you have 3 wee kids who MUST HAVE CAR SEATS, and or two teenagers
certainly cannot invite any friends, NO ROOM FOR THEM in OBAMA's tryke car!
NO ROOM for any dog, or camping gear etc.
HIS NEW TRYKE car hardly accomodates 2 adults:
SHUT UP AND DRILL HERE NOW!
12% are unemployed and desperately need jobs!
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You have made a great point. We are spending so much money to support these illegals it is riciculous. We are now about to spend a fortune to supply them with medical insurance. I wonder if anybody has looked up the word illegal lately. A good start in helping our economy would be to send them back to their own country. |
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My god, it never ends with you. While I'm taking the time to try and educate you as to why air traffic control is not an "industry" you're off another tirade.
You have got to get some control over the mental diarrhea which despoils your every post. In one ridiculous stream of spew you go from the 1950s to Southern Segregationists (all Democrats, a fact you have conveniently forgotten) to VW Bugs to Mitsubishi and Toyota to us bad bad Americans having to pay for.....what? There is not one single thread of logic or connective tissue in your ridiculous stream of consciousness and yet somehow becuase you just have this psychopathic hatred of Republicans, you end up with George Bush.
That is like saying there was a Roman Empire, it fell, the Turks invaded Byzantium, the plague eventually reached Genoa, Columbus went to Spain and then on to the New World, and it's all thanks to Barack Obama.
This may be how your brain works, but not any of the rest of ours I can assure you.
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I believe that Obama has a plan regarding TV's and computers. First we will only have one television channel. This channel will run only Obama speeches and announcements. It will broadcast one hour a day. Computers will only be able to access the Obama website. This will certainly take care of those pesky carbon emissions. He also has been thinking that since the stimulus has not worked so well he will institute a new plan to create jobs. He will change the name of the United States to Obama Land. There will be lots of new jobs changing signs, stationary, money, etc.. Anything that has United States printed on it will need to be changed. He believes that this will not only produce jobs but will make the other nations love us. After all he knows they all love him and it is just that terribly arrogant United States they objected to. Obama Land is the land of promise. Isn't this what you libs are waiting for. |
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MOM or DAD have to drop 2 kids off at child care
and pick them up again after work!
SO WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE CAR SEATS ?
on the laps of the parasites you have to haul to work or to the grocery store
"ENTITLEMENT" is the welfare leeches who want everything free
FREEDOM according to the constitution is buying what you can afford:
THIS IS THE USA, we produced the wealth for the world with our innovation, risk, labors, in all categories including food, technology, medical advancements, industry, etc. |
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"Some correction is due now for the Cheney-Bush spree."
What's the opposite of Bush's reckless spending, Lilly?
Answer (according to statists): Obama's reckless spending.
Keep spending, Democrats. You all are the only hope the GOP has in 2010 and 2012. You make Bush look like Scrooge.
BTW, how are the ballot initiatives going in the gay-hate state of California?
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we do NOT have to pay the middle EAST one dime
if we drill here NOW
it will generate 3-4 million jobs instantly
SHUT DOWN THE MANSIONS in HOLLYWOOD! FIRST
Shut down Kennedy's 4 mansions, Al Gores 2 mansions, Robert Redfords 4 castles, etc. |
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HOW many of your tryke cars do I have to buy to haul my 3 kids around ? |
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During the thirty years my husband worked for the federal government in the Washington DC area there was indeed a mandate for carpooling: if workers expected to park in the parking garage, they HAD to have a 4-person carpool, otherwise they didn't get admitted to the parking garage. So they did. This was enforced. And workers who drove themselves (for example a regular carpooler who had to have his own car that day because of some necessary errand at lunchtime or after work) found his own street parking, which usually was the greater part of a mile from the office, in rain or snow or whatever.
Your objection seems to be that people who must carpool will be inconvenienced. They may be. It's a trade-off. But our attitude of automotive entitlement has contributed to the Middle East having us by the neck, and freedom from that is surely worth something. |
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congratulations 95%
here is your tax cut:
1,500 - 3,000 MORE PER OBAMA's tryke cars
40 cents more per gallon of gas,
3,500 per year to everyone for "ENERGY" (heat and lights) under the cap n trade bill being rush through as you sleep tonight, to follow DICTATOR OBAMA's mandate of WHAT TYPE OF CAR YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DRIVE AND BUY
and 12% no longer have JOBS! |
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That is tiresome, boring and disingenuous and I suspect you know better. If you don't, you have no business here among intelligent and educated people.
But if you have forgotten, let us remind you that Mr. Reagan fired a union engaged in a reckless and illegal work stoppage perpetrated against the interests of the citizens of the United States of America.
In addition, there is no air traffic control industry - there are only government paid workers who man towers around the United States. Nobody makes a dime building air traffic control towers, there are no stockholders, no issues of subordinated debentures, no annual stockholder meetings, no Chief Executive Officer, no suppliers, no dealerships, no hourly workers, no stock dividends, no conventions, no SEC requirements for annual reports, and noWall Street firm never solicits the air traffic control industry seeking merger and aquisition business nor inviting it to issue IPOs.
Is the distinction clear enough for you yet, dear? |
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When the illegals went on "strike" last year, the highways were remarkably free of jams and accidents. There was much less pollution as well.
I wonder how much longer our highways, roads, and bridges would last if there were 30 million fewer people in this country. I wonder how much less pollution there would be if people could get to where they intend if they weren't stuck in traffic.
I guess the phrase, "Think globally, act locally" is nothing more than a bumper sticker slogan for the Leftists. They seem to ignore the latter half of the phrase. |
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you goofy silly people
you complain because Air Traffic controllers were fired:
EDUCATE YOURSELF
A brain transplant cannot help you get closer to reality |
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Ah starman, I am older than just about everybody so I keep forgetting that many adults walking around today don't remember all that I remember. Back in the 1950's we heard endless ridicule of small cars---a "real American" was supposed to drive something half a block long with big fins. This was the era when Southern segregationist politicians made fun of "eggheads". Meanwhile, the eggheads were driving the first VW bugs. Hmmm. Interesting. Because within a couple of decades, Americans (including non-eggheads) couldn't buy small, efficient Japanese cars fast enough. We all learned new words like "Toyota" and "Mitsubishi". And then, in the fullness of time, Detroit went "splat" like apiece of roadkill.
The American attitude of entitlement has allowed us all a glorious spree. But sprees have consequences: if you pig out on desserts, you may gain weight, develop health problems. If you spend money wildly, you may get into financial trouble. Sprees have consequences, and the remedy is to correct for their excesses. Rachel is right. Some correction is due now for the Cheney-Bush spree. |
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TV's and COMPUTERS are 10 times the carbon emissions as car do
SO WILL OBAMA confiscate your Tv's and computers next ?
the dictator needs to be impeached |
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1. where will OCTOMOM put the car seats ?
on top or tow behind ?
2. 90% will NOT BUY NEW CARS FOR 8-10 years but are going to be fleeced the obscene new gas tax
3. NO MIDDLE class family can afford these and if they have 3 kids will have to buy at least 2
4. OBAMA says car pooling is a mandate: so where will you put the parasites that you have to haul to work and the grocery stores?
OBAMA is mentally ill
just shut up and drill |
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WE have enough natural gas here and canada to run our transportation. its already being used in many cities here in us and can. look up Dr. Bill Watenberg. his bio is on kgo radio 810 am dial. in San Francisco. If you take the timed I think you might be surprised. this isn't voodoo science |
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When Ronald Reagan fired all the air traffic controllers, did Republicans complain that he had made himself CEO of the aviation industry? |
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And the Volt he rode in on. |
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That should reduce the amount of emmissions and libtard output. |
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You are so right. This country is geared to cars and highways. Most of us must drive to work. Mass transit is not an option. Our highways are flooded with tractor trailers. I just wonder how people will enjoy driving on the NJ Turnpike to work stuck between two big trucks in their new Obama car. Pretty scary thought I would say. |
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"Let's talk about another aspect. The reason Chrysler and GM are in such trouble today is because they can't compete with Nissan and Toyota and Volkswagen. Why? Because THOSE companies had the forsight to make more fuel efficient cars. Go overseas, you will never see a Chevy or a Ford, but you'll see plenty of Toyotas and VWs."
No, you are flat wrong. There are plenty of Fords and Chevy cars in Europe. The Europeans have a public transport system countrywide that beats the shitt out of fuel efficient cars and it's so small that many ride bikes, buses to work- or for anything. The US has many cities not laid out for that, which IS why we have to drive.
I lived there and travel there once a year...there are more fords that you would ever imagine. Get a freaking clue.
And as the euroweenies drive small distances and in the city, mostly, it is practical for them to drive those little smart cars. They won't necessarily get killed driving 15-20 mph, as opposed to our driving huge distances and higher speeds. |
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We will probably see cars similar to the Old East German Trabants and Wartburgs, based on your political ranking. Those high up in the system will be able to get Mercedes and the like premium cars while us proles get Trabby's & Wartburgs! |
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"Again, your ignorance of science is showing. The amount of CO2 being added if far beyond what the plants need. In fact, increased CO2 makes plants less nutritious."
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The EPA gives new meaning to the term "bad breath", because all
humans and animals exhale carbon dioxide as product of respiration of oxygen.
All scientists know CO2 is as essential to life as oxygen and water.
Carbon dioxide is omnipresent and absolutely essential to plant growth. In growing, plants breathe in carbon dioxide, use the carbon portion to build their structure (biomass), and exhale oxygen and water vapor. In turn, animals breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide, and carbon dioxide's "circle of life" continues.
There's no doubt that carbon dioxide levels are higher in our atmosphere now than in the pre-Industrial Era. But despite a run-up in atmospheric CO2 content since the Industrial Revolution (after 1700 A.D.), CO2 and greenhouse gases other than water vapor still only make up less than 0.03 percent of the total atmosphere.
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M- "Let's say that your premise is absolutely fictional. Correction of your statement should read, Let's say that the vast majority of far left environmentalist scientists got it TOTALLY wrong about global warming and CO2 is harmless."
Me- Actually, it's the concensus of the world scientific community that CO2 contributes to global warming. I know you funditards have a problem with science, as it has eliminated a need for God, but it is what it is.
M- The fact is, CO2 is harmless in the context that you are presenting it. Plants need it to survive. Anyone trying to decrease CO2 is in essence trying to decrease the amount of vegetation on the planet thereby decreasing the amount of available O2 for us.
Me- Again, your ignorance of science is showing. The amount of CO2 being added if far beyond what the plants need. In fact, increased CO2 makes plants less nutritious.
M- As far as the rest of your statement, I have no problem with decreasing the amount of fossil fuels that we import into this country as long as we are allowed to drill where we need to in order to keep up supply. We also need to build more nuclear power plants so we can reduce the need even more.
Me- Again, Drilling only delays the inevitable. Eventually, we WILL run out of petroleum. There's only a finite amount of it. We need to get better efficiency and eventually find a way to replace it altogether.
Let's talk about another aspect. The reason Chrysler and GM are in such trouble today is because they can't compete with Nissan and Toyota and Volkswagen. Why? Because THOSE companies had the forsight to make more fuel efficient cars. Go overseas, you will never see a Chevy or a Ford, but you'll see plenty of Toyotas and VWs. |
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Just wait until you see the real impact of these small cars. I bought one of those small cars back in the early 70's. I had what should have been a fender bender and the car was trashed. Insurance premiums will go through the roof. Also the taxes that the governement and the states collect from gas will have to come from somewhere. Do I see some new taxes coming. Now I drive my nice big Mercedes S class and will do so until the wheels fall off. These little cars are death traps. |
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Now lets see if the POTUS, his administration and Congress replace the government SUV's with kiddy cars. We've already been down this road during the Carter administration. |
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Gov't Motors and Chrysalis won't survive two years under the yoke of obama.
The market simply won't allow it. No one wants a government car. The speed with which these two companies disappear will take your breath away.
Toyota and Honda will gladly take the lots vacated by the closed U.S. dealerships and will be well positioned for the recovery.
The US auto industry will sadly miss it and will never regain lost market share.
The bell tolls for thee, uaw.
Welcome to the jungle
It gets worse here everyday
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Michelle,
Does BO have any legal authority to require Autos to meet emission Standards?
Is a constitutional challenge possible?
Regardless, the US Auto industry is in real trouble. Very few people will purpose the kind of cars that BO will require them to make.
Of course, this will require BO to continue to fund the Auto companies for as far as the eye can see - does AMTRAK come to mind?
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I am not sure he will get past 4 years given the disdain he generates everyday. But sadly, 4 years can bring enough damage.A friend told me today that people in Michigan are Pi--ed off about the Chrysler deal with FIAT.
Lets all buy the rules for radicals book and start countering the BHO tide (know thy enemy). Afterall it is his true Bible. |
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"Let' say that the vast majority of scientists got it TOTALLY wrong about global warming and CO2 is harmless. Well you know what, better milage standards (that the Japanese and Europeans reached a long time ago) would still be a boon because we'd not be buying as much from the crazy Mullahs and Hugo and other people who do things we don't like with that oil money."
Let's say that your premise is absolutely fictional. Correction of your statement should read, Let's say that the vast majority of far left environmentalist scientists got it TOTALLY wrong about global warming and CO2 is harmless.
The fact is, CO2 is harmless in the context that you are presenting it. Plants need it to survive. Anyone trying to decrease CO2 is in essence trying to decrease the amount of vegetation on the planet thereby decreasing the amount of available O2 for us.
As far as the rest of your statement, I have no problem with decreasing the amount of fossil fuels that we import into this country as long as we are allowed to drill where we need to in order to keep up supply. We also need to build more nuclear power plants so we can reduce the need even more. |
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"the foreign car companies are ALREADY extentions of their respective governments"
"After the war, the new West German government invested heavily in VW and it became a symbol of German resurgence."
Do your panties get wet when you think about totalitarianism?
Sieg Heil, M-F'er! |
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We experienced this in Kenya. When the government takes over an industry, the produce or product of that company gets all the govt. contracts.
GM will now sell cars for all government agency needs i.e. police cars, and any other government agencies that need 'company cars' will have to buy GM. This way, the government creates an unfair competitive edge for the unions that own GM to give the impression that the profits of GM are market driven. This economic news becomes a framework and example of why sometimes 'only government can help' with economic crisis.
What the average american won't understand is that GM's profits will be paid for by tax dollars so we are recycling our money. Bail GM out then buy their products because their products can't make a profit in a free market. Give government a basis to argue for further government control/ownership of big companies that find themselves 'stressed'. This is why we needed the stress test on banks. Soon all private institutions will be subject to stress tests.
In Kenya we called this 'fuata nyayo' - follow in the footsteps.
Americans welcome to Obamanation where we all follow in his footsteps wherever they may lead. And after he is done ruling us for 8 years, Michelle the other Obama will rule us for another 8 years. After 16 years, Malik will be old enough to marry a guy who can be president. The Obama nation is just beginning.
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It's a horror novel called "Atlas Shrugged". I hear that it'll be a movie soon. I can't figure out which villian Obama is. He's like a conglomerate of Rand's most despicable characters.
No doubt though, Barney Frank is Wesley Mouch. Pure evil.
Want to know how the Dems will wreck whatever they touch tomorrow, and the "rational" they use to justify wrecking it? Read "Atlas Shrugged". |
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"In fact, his Auto Task Force has called for the elimination of more than 3,000 Chrysler and General Motors automotive dealerships which would subsequently put over 150,000 employees out of work."
Guess who won't be voting Democrat in '10 and '12.
"Given that nowhere in the U.S. Constitution is the President given the power to make such demands on businesses,..."
Constitution? We're all statists now. We don't need no stinking Constitution. |
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President Obama has now announced his mandates (oops...I meant suggestions) for the type of vehicles Chrysler and GM will be forced (oops...I meant suggested) to build.
Obama: "We, the American people, will now have an unprecedented opportunity to buy the new car of the future. It requires NO FOSSIL FUELS and runs strictly on water (and a liitle vegetation).
I give you.........THE MOTORIZED CAMEL!!! (ya know....keepin' with his Muslim roots). The "sporty" version has only one hump, while the "family" version sports two. Optional air freshener available (and suggested)." |
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The problem with your logic is that the foreign car companies are ALREADY extentions of their respective governments.
Heck, Volkswagon was started by Adolf Hitler (It literally translates as "People's Car") as a company that would produce a car for the common man (Volk). After the war, the new West German government invested heavily in VW and it became a symbol of German resurgence. Meanwhile our own government gave the Germans a lot of leeway in importing them in the 1960's (Hense, they became what the Yugo tried to be in the 1980's).
The Japanese companies had a transition from the old "Zaibatsu" corporations to allied supported plants to being subsidized by the Japanese government. You conservative (you aren't anything of the sort, BTW) complain the UAW insists on pension and health care programs for workers, but in Japan and Germany, the government covers those. No wonder they are more competitive. |
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Well, when your shrink neighbor actually convinces me that he's credible, I'll buy that...
(Incidently, I have seen shrinks from time to time. Most of them tell me I am pretty well adjusted given the things that have happened to me in my life- losing my parents at an early age, etc.)
I repeat completely what I am replying to so that no one can say I am taking things out of context. I mean, I could just cherry pick the stuff you and Paddy O'Repressinghisgay say and make you look even more silly than you already do, but that just wouldn't be fair. |
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it that the obsessed, creepozoid, attention famished stalker ALWAYS repeats completely anything written by whoever he's stalking..? Then, he tells his vast audience when it's him that's replying..? Whew..!
Upside of this skin-crawler is that my Head Shrinker neighbor is having an off hours Ball! Says the pathology is Texbook Perfect. Luv it. |
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has promised to do its utmost to warm the planet, as well. Yep, proof of the EeeeeekkkKK
man Made Global GASP Warming was abundant this past winter and so far this spring. Brrrrrr...! I think the Climate has had a relapse!
As with several other Ish-Shoes, all one has to do is see who is all caught up in this vast mythological ponzi scheme and, Baa-Daa-Bing, one knows it's simply the newest secular religion of the Left. Paaaatooooey..! Well, The Left, EXCEPT the Chinese Communists who don't give a rat's a** about anything but burying us economically. And The Bamma is doing his ALL to help them. INSANE to watch. |
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...is the future. Not the game, skating to work. |
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"Scientific evidence...suggests that we are entering a mini-Ice Age, so as usual, the Obama Administration is doing the exact wrong thing.
I will continue to do my part to combat this global cooling by driving a 5.7 liter V-8 Tundra and taking the long way whenever possible.
The time is now to find a way to make fossil fuel out of liberal's brains. Lord knows they're not good for anything else......."
Me- Guys who believe in talking snakes and reanimated corpses shouldn't be talking about Science... they just look silly doing it.
Let' say that the vast majority of scientists got it TOTALLY wrong about global warming and CO2 is harmless. Well you know what, better milage standards (that the Japanese and Europeans reached a long time ago) would still be a boon because we'd not be buying as much from the crazy Mullahs and Hugo and other people who do things we don't like with that oil money.
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This whole government take-over of the auto industry is really starting to look like a badly made Sci-Fi movie -- You know the one where EVIL corporations have taken over the world, enslaving the masses, and creating a totalitarian state with the CEOs in charge.
The old sci-fi stories assumed corporations would grow so large that they would overwhelm the government, making us all slaves to the wishes and desires of cruel taskmasters, eliminating our democracy in favor of a capital-ocracy.
But, the Sci-fi guys never imagined that the corporate state would come about not by the out-of-control growth by companies. They thought government would be the victim of the corporate state.
However, instead of that reality what we have now is the birth of a Corporate State created by the out-of-control growth and the abuse of power by the GOVERNMENT. Imagine how Ray Bradbury and Issac Asimov must feel now. |
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Imagine Dodge making a similar hybrid? We all better start biking. |
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...suggests that we are entering a mini-Ice Age, so as usual, the Obama Administration is doing the exact wrong thing.
I will continue to do my part to combat this global cooling by driving a 5.7 liter V-8 Tundra and taking the long way whenever possible.
The time is now to find a way to make fossil fuel out of liberal's brains. Lord knows they're not good for anything else....... |
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The New Order in DC is going to force me to trade in my '97 F150 - "Mark my words" as Slow Joe (Say, where has he been lately?!?! In an "undisclosed" location?). We haven't bought a new car in years because we have kids' (that's "sss," plural) college bills to pay. I can imagine we'll soon be paying a special carbon tax right up the keister for keeping our aged vehicles in order to prop up our "investment" in GM. |
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I'M BEING HELD CAPTIVE IN MY OVERBLOWN GAS-GUZZLING SUV!!!!
Oh, man, she's too much. LOL |
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Mandate all cars sold in the US being Flex-fuel;
~About a million dollars to certify a motor.
~About $100 per car added cost.
Then there would be a market for alternative fuels. Iso fuels are under $1/gallon. You only get half the mileage, but gas is almost back to $3/gal. So it makes sense.
Wait, scratch that idea. It makes sense. |
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i drive a Ford Ranger, a 2002, and seeing this today then i am never buying a Ford again, even though i like the ranger. they are hoping in bed with GM, Chrysler and with P. Obama. well they can just go totally out of business. Go bankrupt and let the fools at the UAW go eat dirt. |
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The auto Industry isn't the only business that is going to bite the dust, when the in-experienced Obama and Liberal know it all fools, get through imposing their ignorant standards! America will be in a full depression and we will thank Obamas push over, beguiled groupies, who lack a mind of their own, for their foolish, short sighted, controled belief system, Sad! |
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Lets not forget, BHO dreamed about being a bigtime CEO in his first book. Guess he made his dream come true. |
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live outside you 8 year bubble of the past. The electric car was invented back in the 20s.Its had plenty of chances to come to market. Its too expensive. Oh wait, Chevy came up with the VOLT, and they only lose $2500 per car. And we are okay with children mining metals for the battery in the Congo so long as we all get off oil?
Its all about the union people and nothing more.
The only winners are FIAT. They get $7b. Can't wait to see them try to boss around Union bosses. The Mafia vs Michigan smack-down. But then again, Italians like to take 3 hour lunches. So they'll all be happy spending the "loan" on latte's. |
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I was told an electric car can travel 100 miles and then needs to be recharged for 8 hours.
So if I travel from Jacksonville, Fl. to Miami it will take me 3 days to get there. so to me, an electric car is tantamount to a covered wagon.
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Say sayanora to the Us auto industry. Obama has his nose so far up the union butts, that he broke the law to help out the union. The jerks will kill GM and Chrysler, which will also collapse Ford because of the union Me too syndrom. Good thing that Honda and Toyota make much superior vehicles because we will need them.
Hey rach, get your Obama sponsored death machine and hit a tree at 35. Should be good for a couple of laughs as we scrape your remains off of the tree. |
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...I'd love to be getting 24mpg. My Nissan Frontier XE (4x4, 4 door) only gets about 17mpg on a good day. |
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