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Ms Bachman, under Democratic rule, voter fraud and usurping of individual rights are necessary baseline requirements for taxpayer funding. |
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This organization has surely proved that it cannot control it workers. Why in the world would we turn over billions of dollars for them to control. ACORN has shown that they obviously overlook fraud. Just think how much they can overlook with billions at their disposal. Obama is paying back the unions big time and now he is about to payback ACORN. Remember folks these people are being paid back with our money, not Obamas. I am sure the dems will back them getting money as this is their insurance policy for the next election. How can they possibly justify giving money to an organization that has so many pending fraud cases and so many that have already been prosecuted. Franks of course will back them, after all he has no problem with fraud. |
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It amazes me that they actually expect us to believe that fraudulent registrations doesnt mean any fraudulent votes were actually cast, RIGHT.In minnasota they actually have districts where in the recount they ended up with more votes then registered voters, just how do you expect us to actually accept that, and whats up with the courts in minnasota who dont those extra vote for franken out.Seems the Dems. will get away with this crap, they WON, thats the mantra, but I say NO its up to us to DEMAND this is stopped or fire all of them, and then put them in prison. |
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Sorry we can't bring up voter fraud and acorn, in the same breath cause Garafolo will just call us racists. |
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Full Name: Association of Community Organisations for Reform Now
Acronym: ACORN
Nickname: NUT |
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“It’s part of Satan I think to say that this is “gay.” It’s anything but gay.” — Senator Michele Bachmann, speaking at EdWatch National Education Conference, November 6, 2004.
God, I LOVE this woman!!!!! |
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amazing that this corruption is allowed to continue! But Barney Frank, one can't say anything more on corruption, this is the person who allowed the housing market under the auspices of Fannie & Freddie to crash! Is there anyone in Congress either in the House or the Senate who is willing to stand up for the American people? Is there anyone willing to take on this corrupt group ACORN and hold them accountable for the fraud in registration and undoubtedly voting? |
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...get elected w/o voter fraud? Better yet, why associate with this kind of shadowy nut case group... hmmm... but then the Dems associate with other nut case groups as N.A.M.B.L.A, pre and post pregnancy abortionists, N.O.W., American Communit Party, euthanasia enthusiasts, Barney the Frank, Arlen Spector to name the tip of the political iceberg. And the news media paints A.C.O.R.N. as a left- leaning NON-partisan community organizer group! |
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Stupid acorn workers that used names like Mickey Mouse or Dr. Seuss were caught because the names were so stupid, so i guess the acorn workers that have more than half a brain were not caught because they used more common names.that makes it perfectly ok then, right. oh I guess I'm going to jail for that racist comment about that fine and highly trusted organization of acorn, come and get me. |
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Read the story again...
* A voter registration worker for ACORN in East St. Louis was indicted
* “A suburban Philadelphia man is charged with forgery, allegedly altering 18 voter-registration applications
* “Clifton Mitchell... was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison.”
THREE (3) people... acting as individuals. I don't see anywhere in the story where ACORN was indicted, charged, or convicted of anything.
From what I could find, ACORN registered over a million people prior to the 2008 elections. This story tells us that close to 2000 of the million contained false/forged info(.002%).
How were these fake voters found out?
Did you know that any organization that registers voters is given pre-numbered forms for this purpose. By law, EACH AND EVERY form must be accounted for. (This is done to prevent an organization from discarding registrations... (i.e. tossing out all the people who want to register as Democrats, or another organization from tossing out all the Republicans).
Acorn, as with most organizations review the forms before they are turned in the routinely flag any that appear to be fake, false or incomplete. The organizations are powerless to remove them.
This is how the voter registration fraud is identified.
Also NOTICE that the story does not say that any of the fake registrations actually made it onto the voter rolls, or fake voters actually voted.
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a little fraud is ok, a little abortion is ok , yes luna we get your point. |
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If I remember right, some of the US Attorneys that Bush/Gonzalez/Rove fired a few years ago were possibly let go because they wouldn't bring charges of voter fraud specifically against Democrats. The US Attorneys investigated these cases and found they could not make a case and refused to do so, so they were fired.
No matter how hard republicans try, they can't seem to prove any wide spread fraud that occurs in the voting booth. |
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We really need these problems investigated. Al "Stein" Franken won the election in this state with these fraudulent votes. Stuffing the voter rolls is a serious problem and ACORN is just part of it. We need a RICO investigation because ACORN is 'merely' the colluding organization. They are hiding behind dozens of dummy association names and registrations in order to pretend they are snow white. However, a serious RICO investigation could find the entire, or most of, this network. Evidence of this does abound. The clearest indication there is vote tampering is the simple fact they are doing voter registrations in a state with same day voter registration. What is the deal? Why would they spend all the money on that if not for fraudulent registrations that can lead to multiple fraudulent votes? It doesn't make sense. |
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I don't want fraud on either side, thats my problem with our government, if they hide it well enough we don't find out about it thats ok, BS. Corruption on either side is bad, not when it is on the opposite side only. |
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"a little fraud is ok, a little abortion is ok , yes luna we get your point."
ABORTION??? How does that fit in this conversation?
OH.. of course, EVERYTHING is about abortion!
If the clerk at WalMart gives you the wrong change, do you blame WalMart?
If the cable guy sells you a fake box, do you indite the cable company?
The salesguy at the local Piggly-Wiggly tells your your winning lottery ticket is worthless, do you blame Piggly-Wiggly, or the dishonest clerk?
Voter REGISTRATION fraud, is not the same as VOTER fraud.
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Fraud is fraud I don't think we should have to put up with it, on either side do you agree? |
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I've tried to make the same point you're making over and over again, but we're up against the Pavlovian right. Utter certain words - "ACORN," "Socialism," "Al Gore," for example - and right-wingers go completely off the rails. No coherent response is required, all they do is rant and shriek.
Notice the continuous, obsessive errors: mixing up "registration fraud" and "voter fraud," saying that Acorn has received billions of public dollars.
It really is no use trying to stop the flood, but it's nice to see somebody speaking up for truth and common sense. |
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tells their employees to cheat their customers yes you hold Wal*mart accountable , if the cable company tells their employee to cheat the customer, yes hold them responsible, if acorn tell their workers you have a quota to bring in so many registrations in a day or hit the bricks yes I hold them accountable. |
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Some investors were convicted of fraud. Some others were indicted. But there's nothing wrong with Wall Street. No need to regulate. No need. |
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and that would be you Vlad, why not let the investigation go to its completion seeing nothing was done illegally, by acorn Vlad. |
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who is ranting, I'm typing as quietly as i can. |
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"tells their employees to cheat their customers yes you hold Wal*mart accountable , if the cable company tells their employee to cheat the customer, yes hold them responsible, if acorn tell their workers you have a quota to bring in so many registrations in a day or hit the bricks yes I hold them accountable."
If you think assigning quotas is the same as cheating customers, here's a little advice: don't go into sales. |
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we know acorn is on the up and up Frank and you say so, wow thats good enough for me discussion over. Oh and Vlad i'm in sales already , don't think I'll be needing any advanced marketing skills from you today. |
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"Oh and Vlad i'm in sales already , don't think I'll be needing any advanced marketing skills from you today."
LOL. Then don't volunteer to coach the debate club. |
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If Wal*mart tells their employees to cheat their customers yes you hold Wal*mart accountable , if the cable company tells their employee to cheat the customer, yes hold them responsible, if acorn tell their workers you have a quota to bring in so many registrations in a day or hit the bricks yes I hold them accountable.
CHEAT: 1 a: to practice fraud or trickery b: to violate rules dishonestly
QUOTA: 1: a proportional part or share ; especially : the share or proportion assigned to each in a division or to each member of a body
Telling some they have a quota, is not the same as telling them to cheat.
I worked at lots of jobs that had QUOTAS, hell, I've even worked "piece" work, where there was a minimum number required for each job. Don't do the minimum and you are out.
NEVER was I told to cheat, skip steps, lie.
In fact, just like with the voter registrations, my employer checked each piece that I made to verify that it met the standards for that item.
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just go with that no acorn person cheated. |
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no need to debate,lies and cheats i don't wate my time with them. |
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"just go with that no acorn person cheated."
Pop quiz: how did state voting authorities discover that some of the Acorn registration cards were bogus? |
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"how did state voting authorities discover that some of the Acorn registration cards were bogus?"
Because they were so over the top stupid, that's why. Someone had gotten away with the fraud so long, they got stupid. Mickey Mouse, Jimmy Johns, etc.
If you think that only 2000 of these registrations were fraudulent, you have taken leave of your senses. They caught 2000 because they were so blatantly stupid, who knows (maybe no one ever will) how many were actually fraudulent. Acorn's practices encourage cheating and fraud. Period. It's not even debatable. They certainly deserve no federal money. They are a leftist, democratic front. How many of the 1.3 million were registered as republicans?
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According to Florida statutes governing third-party registrations, "A third-party voter registration organization that collects voter registration applications serves as a fiduciary to the applicant, ensuring that any voter registration application entrusted to the third-party voter registration organization, irrespective of party affiliation, race, ethnicity, or gender shall be promptly delivered to the division or the supervisor of elections." If the third-party voter registration organization fails to submit a voter registration application, it is liable for "[a] fine in the amount of $1,000 for any application not submitted if the third-party registration organization or person, entity, or agency acting on its behalf acted willfully." |
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According to Dan Satterberg, the Republican prosecuting attorney in King County, Wash., where the largest ACORN case to date was prosecuted, said that the indicted ACORN employees were shirking responsibility, not plotting election fraud.
Satterberg said, " A joint federal and state investigation has determined that this scheme was not intended to permit illegal voting.
Instead, the defendants cheated their employer, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or ACORN), to get paid for work they did not actually perform. ACORN's lax oversight of their own voter registration drive permitted this to happen.
It was hardly a sophisticated plan: The defendants simply realized that making up names was easier than actually canvassing the streets looking for unregistered voters.
[It] appears that the employees of ACORN were not performing the work that they were being paid for, and to some extent, ACORN is a victim of employee theft." |
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"They caught 2000 because they were so blatantly stupid, who knows (maybe no one ever will) how many were actually fraudulent."
You haven't been paying attention. Acorn MUST, by law, turn in every single registration card it collects. Even if it says "Mickey Mouse." The reason is obvious: we can't allow people who collect voter registrations to discard any they deem incorrect or unacceptable. It is ACORN itself that has been alerting the government to possible fraud in these cards. Which is what they are supposed to do.
Since last summer, the right wing has been trying to spin this as "voting fraud" and it's completely silly.
But, like Al Gore inventing the internet and Bill Clinton's haircut on the airplane, I'm way too late on this one. It's already carved on the walls of the Temple of the Right. |
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Carved on the walls...
That could well be said about Global Warming. The New Religion. |
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Reading all of the comments that are pro and con Acorn two things come to mind: 1)if Acorn is not hiring good people and is lax in oversight why would the government fund them?
2)a bigger question is why should tax dollars fund this at all? Our Voter Registration is set up at the DMV and other places citizens go...all citizens regardless of race, sex or net worth...so why fund these activists to go out and register. If any of the Parties want to do it...fine...but if folks have such a low interest in voting that they don't even register...well I worry they can easily be manipulated to make an uninformed vote...putting the rest of us at risk...so again I ask...why are my tax dollars being used in this way...call me a crazy libertarian conservative...but I don't think this is what the Founding Fathers had in mind.... |
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The simple reality is that ACORN does NOT receive any public money for voter registration. That's not the only thing they do, and they do receive federal money for things like distributing food stamps, helping people who are being foreclosed, etc., but they do not receive a dime for voter registration. |
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In Rep. Bachmann’s world this is a major issue.
A minute amount of voter registration fraud out of millions and millions of voters and the reality is that ACORN is the ones that got ripped off.
Rep. Bachmann has not held a single public meeting in the Sixth District that was advertised in advance and where she will take questions from her constituents, since she was elected in 2006.
Maybe if she did she would, she find most people are concerned about much more important issues than ACORN getting ripped off by its employees
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The Tides Foundation and its offspring, the Tides Center effectively “launder” donor dollars when they give to other nonprofits. The San Francisco-based Foundation receives donations from individuals and foundations and then channels them to activist groups. The result is that the original donor can’t be linked to the ultimate recipient. Since it was established in 1976, the Foundation has given away over $300 million in grants. The Tides Center, established in 1979, has been legally separate from the Foundation since 1996. It helps manage the legal, accounting and other administrative aspects of start-up political advocacy “projects.” In effect, it shelters activists and their fledgling organizations under the umbrella of its own nonprofit tax-exempt status.
In theory, the Foundation raises and grants money, while the Center manages projects & organizations. A legal firewall divides the two organizations and keeps their functions separate. In fact, each does both. The Foundation awards grants to groups, including groups not managed by the Center, that are promoting a kaleidoscope of liberal issues.
· environmental extremism · opposition to free trade · banning firearms ownership · abortion rights · GLBT advocacy
As the epicenter of a large financial operation that collects and disperses millions of dollars to left-wing activist groups, the Tides Foundation and Tides Center are uniquely influential within the liberal movement. Many policy projects established by the Foundation and managed by the Center are eventually spun-off as independent nonprofit organizations. In addition, Tides founder Drummond Pike has set up several for-profit companies. They donate a percentage of their profits to Tides and collaborate with Tides-affiliated nonprofits.
Note: Drummond Pike is the person who stepped up to cover the One Million $ embezzlement repayment of Dale/Wade Rake To ACORN!! |
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